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@phenomlab sure i will share ASAP
thanks for mentioning about the TM and IPs i thought it is open-source
nor i am interested to sell/distributing wordpress thems and i am not going to WordPress.
i was inspired by this thread
https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/bbpress-like-flarum/ i have a version of this too but it’s an old version of flarum.i have read a few arguments on this (TM and IPs) on flarum discuss but i don’t want to bring that to here. siForum will not conflict with the laws.
if flarum is talking about trademarks they are only registered in Sweden or Finland … but not in India.
trademarks and IPs are first come first serve basis. whoever requests they will get TM.
i am not leaving flarum and not going to make this public. let’s call it a fun/home project. i do respect their efforts and work and i will continue to be like that.
https://kjellr.com/2022/01/28/building-twitter-with-wordpress-5-9/
for example, kjellr did something similar and he won’t be getting sued by Twitter
@Hari all fine with me. Was just pointing it out. Most trademarks incidentally are just in the country where they are issued as you’ve pointed out (you’d need to won’t in each country you want it registered). I just know that Flarum in the past has come down quite hard on those who have directly copied their layout or used their logo without permission, so this is likely covered under intellectual property, which can be almost global (90 plus countries) to my knowledge if you leverage the Madrid Protocol - although I don’t think that extends to India. The logo of course is fine as you are not using it, but the layout is almost identical. I’m not sure that their trademark extend to the site design, but it might be worth checking.
I completely understand why you want it to look like Flarum because of the users being familiar with that layout and it makes absolute sense not to deviate to much away from what they are accustomed to - just be careful.
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@Hari all fine with me. Was just pointing it out. Most trademarks incidentally are just in the country where they are issued as you’ve pointed out (you’d need to won’t in each country you want it registered). I just know that Flarum in the past has come down quite hard on those who have directly copied their layout or used their logo without permission, so this is likely covered under intellectual property, which can be almost global (90 plus countries) to my knowledge if you leverage the Madrid Protocol - although I don’t think that extends to India. The logo of course is fine as you are not using it, but the layout is almost identical. I’m not sure that their trademark extend to the site design, but it might be worth checking.
I completely understand why you want it to look like Flarum because of the users being familiar with that layout and it makes absolute sense not to deviate to much away from what they are accustomed to - just be careful.
@phenomlab said in move out from flarum to wordpress:
Madrid Protocol
I am not going to use this theme or distribute it. it is an abandoned project (when there was no dev available to build flarum extensions for us we had to work on an alternative WordPress theme - features like guest posting, SEO changes are still big issues with flarum)
I am aware of this Madrid Protocol. they have opted for rights in their country only. (it was an a individual request exclusively valid for their own country)
https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
usually site design will not have TM or IP (as far i am aware of)
@phenomlab said in move out from flarum to wordpress:
I’m not sure that their trademark extend to the site design, but it might be worth checking.
exactly
and i am not going to use this replica
if we have to go for WordPress or react we will opt for commento.io or something else.i promise this will not go into the web. i will continue to love flarum
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@phenomlab said in move out from flarum to wordpress:
Madrid Protocol
I am not going to use this theme or distribute it. it is an abandoned project (when there was no dev available to build flarum extensions for us we had to work on an alternative WordPress theme - features like guest posting, SEO changes are still big issues with flarum)
I am aware of this Madrid Protocol. they have opted for rights in their country only. (it was an a individual request exclusively valid for their own country)
https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/usually site design will not have TM or IP (as far i am aware of)
@phenomlab said in move out from flarum to wordpress:
I’m not sure that their trademark extend to the site design, but it might be worth checking.
exactly
and i am not going to use this replica
if we have to go for WordPress or react we will opt for commento.io or something else.i promise this will not go into the web. i will continue to love flarum
@Hari sounds good. Personally, I can’t use Flarum because of its fundamental lack of GDPR controls and the fact that they are using implied consent for everything.
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//update
still, there is a lot to do, what he has done is so far good enough for a forum. it’s swift fast. 🥳
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@Hari all fine with me. Was just pointing it out. Most trademarks incidentally are just in the country where they are issued as you’ve pointed out (you’d need to won’t in each country you want it registered). I just know that Flarum in the past has come down quite hard on those who have directly copied their layout or used their logo without permission, so this is likely covered under intellectual property, which can be almost global (90 plus countries) to my knowledge if you leverage the Madrid Protocol - although I don’t think that extends to India. The logo of course is fine as you are not using it, but the layout is almost identical. I’m not sure that their trademark extend to the site design, but it might be worth checking.
I completely understand why you want it to look like Flarum because of the users being familiar with that layout and it makes absolute sense not to deviate to much away from what they are accustomed to - just be careful.
@phenomlab flarum didnt invented its looks open source community did like Discourse and NodeBB
I Love GPL…
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@phenomlab flarum didnt invented its looks open source community did like Discourse and NodeBB
I Love GPL…
@sinanisler I love GPL too. The logo and brand is protected by a trademark, but as you mentioned, the look and colour scheme isn’t.
Can’t say I’m a fan of the layout, which is why I always changed it
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@sinanisler I love GPL too. The logo and brand is protected by a trademark, but as you mentioned, the look and colour scheme isn’t.
Can’t say I’m a fan of the layout, which is why I always changed it
@phenomlab i love minimalism .
10 years ago I made a similar Wordpress theme for my personal code library.
this type of designs are ageless that’s why people loving it.
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@phenomlab i love minimalism .
10 years ago I made a similar Wordpress theme for my personal code library.
this type of designs are ageless that’s why people loving it.
https://sinanisler.com/codeprex/@sinanisler wow. Love the clean look - and more importantly, the speed
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@sinanisler wow. Love the clean look - and more importantly, the speed
@phenomlab hi, could you check this site on mobile for us https://www.atarikafa.com/topluluk/d/hamzaless-konulari-unity-asset-store/
i am using opera on MI a2 everything is getting disturbed but in @sinanisler device the website is responsive.
i could not able to express this issue to him clearly, since we both can see it i thought of asking here
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@phenomlab hi, could you check this site on mobile for us https://www.atarikafa.com/topluluk/d/hamzaless-konulari-unity-asset-store/
i am using opera on MI a2 everything is getting disturbed but in @sinanisler device the website is responsive.
https://github.com/sinanisler/SiForum/issues/28
i could not able to express this issue to him clearly, since we both can see it i thought of asking here
@Hari seems fine on my mobile. What’s the issue exactly ?
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@phenomlab alignment issue once try this url
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@phenomlab alignment issue once try this url
https://www.atarikafa.com/topluluk/d/1197-better-factorycraft-iii-pack-alpha-v10/
@Hari yes, I see what you mean. That’s just CSS and easily fixed
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@Hari I did mention this to @sinanisler a while back. Seems he has a very high resolution in his mobile device which is why it looks fine on his.
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@Hari I did mention this to @sinanisler a while back. Seems he has a very high resolution in his mobile device which is why it looks fine on his.
@phenomlab no I have 3 phone.
one of them has just 480p screenmade some updates to CSS and jquery
damned bootstrap and buddypress css was creating problemsanyway except mobile menu all site good and fixed overflow issues.
test this post https://www.atarikafa.com/topluluk/d/test-basligi/
ajax image upload and front-end posting done too btw…
couple small issues left project almost done
btw I told this to @Hari too some of the post have BAD flarum imported HTML. it is creating overflow. flarum have STUPID HTML tags… I cleared a lot with search replace plugin but still there is so many stupid tags…
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@phenomlab no I have 3 phone.
one of them has just 480p screenmade some updates to CSS and jquery
damned bootstrap and buddypress css was creating problemsanyway except mobile menu all site good and fixed overflow issues.
test this post https://www.atarikafa.com/topluluk/d/test-basligi/
ajax image upload and front-end posting done too btw…
couple small issues left project almost done
btw I told this to @Hari too some of the post have BAD flarum imported HTML. it is creating overflow. flarum have STUPID HTML tags… I cleared a lot with search replace plugin but still there is so many stupid tags…
@sinanisler said in move out from flarum to wordpress:
flarum imported HTML. it is creating overflow. flarum have STUPID HTML tags… I cleared a lot with search replace plugin but still there is so many stupid tags…
Yes, I certainly hear you there.
The layout looks much better on my device now.
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Font sizes and profile pic size need to be bit small … Alright everyone has their own taste
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@Hari I know you are in the ‘love’ phase of wordpress, but from my 15 years experience hosting on and off WP sites for personal and business use, you WILL have problems. WP is plugin hell land. Plugins are mostly low quality and don’t work well with each other. It’s easy to add ‘just this one plugin’ and later realize you have an unmaintanable monster.
When you update WP, problems arise. Then it’s time to hire someone to fix them. Unfortunately, you will want to spend as little as possible, as we all do. Then upwork offers some really affordable freelancers… who barely know what they are doing or care about it.
IMHO, reconsider going to WP. Static sites, as you seem to like, will save you headaches in the future if you can live with the limitations (it seems you can; you have found comment software that would work for you and that you could self host).
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@Hari I know you are in the ‘love’ phase of wordpress, but from my 15 years experience hosting on and off WP sites for personal and business use, you WILL have problems. WP is plugin hell land. Plugins are mostly low quality and don’t work well with each other. It’s easy to add ‘just this one plugin’ and later realize you have an unmaintanable monster.
When you update WP, problems arise. Then it’s time to hire someone to fix them. Unfortunately, you will want to spend as little as possible, as we all do. Then upwork offers some really affordable freelancers… who barely know what they are doing or care about it.
IMHO, reconsider going to WP. Static sites, as you seem to like, will save you headaches in the future if you can live with the limitations (it seems you can; you have found comment software that would work for you and that you could self host).
@qwinter I can’t agree with this more if I tried. All the points here are salient and resound perfectly with me as I’ve been in the same boat over the years. I’ve also seen my fair share of poorly designed WordPress sites that are so slow, you could actually get out and walk faster, or even draw the site on paper quicker yourself
Whilst I’ll always love WordPress for it’s simplicity and extensibility, it is the ultimate Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde product and hard to achieve a balance between performance and security.
And BuddyPress? Don’t get me started. That project should never have been allowed to continue and should have been banned from the WordPress ecosystem.
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@Hari I know you are in the ‘love’ phase of wordpress, but from my 15 years experience hosting on and off WP sites for personal and business use, you WILL have problems. WP is plugin hell land. Plugins are mostly low quality and don’t work well with each other. It’s easy to add ‘just this one plugin’ and later realize you have an unmaintanable monster.
When you update WP, problems arise. Then it’s time to hire someone to fix them. Unfortunately, you will want to spend as little as possible, as we all do. Then upwork offers some really affordable freelancers… who barely know what they are doing or care about it.
IMHO, reconsider going to WP. Static sites, as you seem to like, will save you headaches in the future if you can live with the limitations (it seems you can; you have found comment software that would work for you and that you could self host).
@qwinter i have 10+ years experience in managing wp sites. Anything from managing or devlopment or speed is a cake walk in wordpress.
Try CF APO you will change your opinion.
Hosting wordpress in vps is much more better than managing discourse or flarum with SSH
At this moment my top most priority is SEO first
As far i can see if we need any SEO changes in flarum it would cost anywhere from 200 to 500 USD. Few changes are not at all possible in flarum.
I wish you all the best, if you have time money patience be the part of building great communities.
If you need success and want to witness growth use wordpress or nodebb
I can challenge anyone… with the same page title i can bring any wordpress site on top in the search results. (I mean we can host two different websites and see which will rank top wp vs flarum)
. When you want to beat your competitors you should take every advantage of SEO to get top rankings.
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