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So this year on Oct 14th, Windows 10 will be at end of life. I think that it is stupid that MS put the new requirements in place. I kind of get it, but so many people will either be forced to buy a new one or to go with a different OS. I can’t afford to buy a new one at this point in time so I am planning on switching my machine over to Linux.
I played around with several different Linux OSs like Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu (which I’m not going with), Mate, Garuda Linux, Mint and several others. I believe I have made my decision to go with Arch. I like how due to the rolling updates that is is always up to date. I can even wait a week or two before doing any upgrades so then any bugs get worked out. If a new virus or whatever gets released, their patch gets sent out almost right away. Or at least that is what it seems like.
My other option was Fedora. I like how Fedora functioned and they would make updates on a regular basis so you had the newer packages. Not as often as Arch but when you go to install something like php or nodejs, you get the latest versions of those software. I know that Debian, Ubuntu that they wait longer to provider a more stable environment, but you usually have to manually install the latest version of software. That isn’t a bad thing, it is nice to just be able to install software and not have to go searching around to add the source to install the latest version.
The more I play with Arch the more I like it. It is fast and straight to the point and this isn’t anything special with Arch, all Linux OSs are customizable. Although, I will say that Arch does not have any bloatware whatsoever.
This isn’t a post saying that Arch is the end all be all. This is just a post about the Linux OS that I am choosing. Not to say that, that won’t ever change in the future, but for today. There are things in Arch that take longer to setup, for instance, NGINX and setting up everything that goes along with that. Manually setting up the folders for websites and configs and such, and at the same time going through and figuring that out, I understand a lot better how Webmin/Virtualmin work on the backend when setting up a new virtual website and how Linux works with them in the background.
Anyway, I would be curious to hear what versions of Linux that others have gone with and what they like and don’t like about it. Here is a link to the MS page with the date of the end of life for Windows 10.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro
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So this year on Oct 14th, Windows 10 will be at end of life. I think that it is stupid that MS put the new requirements in place. I kind of get it, but so many people will either be forced to buy a new one or to go with a different OS. I can’t afford to buy a new one at this point in time so I am planning on switching my machine over to Linux.
I played around with several different Linux OSs like Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu (which I’m not going with), Mate, Garuda Linux, Mint and several others. I believe I have made my decision to go with Arch. I like how due to the rolling updates that is is always up to date. I can even wait a week or two before doing any upgrades so then any bugs get worked out. If a new virus or whatever gets released, their patch gets sent out almost right away. Or at least that is what it seems like.
My other option was Fedora. I like how Fedora functioned and they would make updates on a regular basis so you had the newer packages. Not as often as Arch but when you go to install something like php or nodejs, you get the latest versions of those software. I know that Debian, Ubuntu that they wait longer to provider a more stable environment, but you usually have to manually install the latest version of software. That isn’t a bad thing, it is nice to just be able to install software and not have to go searching around to add the source to install the latest version.
The more I play with Arch the more I like it. It is fast and straight to the point and this isn’t anything special with Arch, all Linux OSs are customizable. Although, I will say that Arch does not have any bloatware whatsoever.
This isn’t a post saying that Arch is the end all be all. This is just a post about the Linux OS that I am choosing. Not to say that, that won’t ever change in the future, but for today. There are things in Arch that take longer to setup, for instance, NGINX and setting up everything that goes along with that. Manually setting up the folders for websites and configs and such, and at the same time going through and figuring that out, I understand a lot better how Webmin/Virtualmin work on the backend when setting up a new virtual website and how Linux works with them in the background.
Anyway, I would be curious to hear what versions of Linux that others have gone with and what they like and don’t like about it. Here is a link to the MS page with the date of the end of life for Windows 10.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro
@Madchatthew Yes, we’ve reached that milestone where the final ship has sailed for Windows 10. The thing that gets me here is that the hardware requirements for Windows 11 are much stricter than they were on the predecessor - I know it’s possible to use a variety of hacks to get it to work, but alongside the cost, who wants to have to upgrade their hardware just to get the latest version of Windows?
For me, Windows 11 is unfortunately necessary for my day to day work as I need it for the interoperability. However, I too would much prefer Linux - in fact, I have it running on my laptop - which admittedly, I don’t use very often, but when I do, it reminds me of how much I miss using Linux for day-to-day.
I think I’ve tried almost every flavour of Linux out there, but settled eventually on KDE Neon. I’m a big fan of the KDE interface, which was a decision I took when I witnessed the unholy mess (to quote Linus Torvalds) that Gnome 3 had become.
https://www.theregister.com/2011/08/05/linus_slams_gnome_three/
Clearly, I wasn’t (and still am not) a fan of the interface. I mean, if I want to run Linux on a tablet, I’ll go and buy one - I have a PC for a reason, and that shouldn’t mean I have to put up with what looks like a Fisher Price interface.
I also tried Linux Mint with the Cinnamon DE for a number of years, but finally decided a move to KDE was more beneficial for my specific needs.
Not tried Arch yet, but feel I need to having read your post…
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@Madchatthew Yes, we’ve reached that milestone where the final ship has sailed for Windows 10. The thing that gets me here is that the hardware requirements for Windows 11 are much stricter than they were on the predecessor - I know it’s possible to use a variety of hacks to get it to work, but alongside the cost, who wants to have to upgrade their hardware just to get the latest version of Windows?
For me, Windows 11 is unfortunately necessary for my day to day work as I need it for the interoperability. However, I too would much prefer Linux - in fact, I have it running on my laptop - which admittedly, I don’t use very often, but when I do, it reminds me of how much I miss using Linux for day-to-day.
I think I’ve tried almost every flavour of Linux out there, but settled eventually on KDE Neon. I’m a big fan of the KDE interface, which was a decision I took when I witnessed the unholy mess (to quote Linus Torvalds) that Gnome 3 had become.
https://www.theregister.com/2011/08/05/linus_slams_gnome_three/
Clearly, I wasn’t (and still am not) a fan of the interface. I mean, if I want to run Linux on a tablet, I’ll go and buy one - I have a PC for a reason, and that shouldn’t mean I have to put up with what looks like a Fisher Price interface.
I also tried Linux Mint with the Cinnamon DE for a number of years, but finally decided a move to KDE was more beneficial for my specific needs.
Not tried Arch yet, but feel I need to having read your post…
@phenomlab they do have a KDE Plasma desktop for Arch. I don’t see the KDE Neon though. I have been testing with Gnome and there are add-ons where you can add a menu and have app icons on the top taskbar as well. There are also some other tweaks and addon you can do as well. But I am wondering if any of that would need to be done with KDE. Most likely not.
I have read as well that Gnome is the devil and more and more people are going away from it. I need to read that article you shared though. I am interested in what he says about it.
I have to use winblows for work as well. I wish they would switch everything to Linux including the servers. Would be way more awesome and we wouldn’t be affected by stuff like winblows is on a regular basis.
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Sorry for the double post but I read that article and I agree with him. I think gnome was trying to have a minimalist look and made it so you are forced to have that look. It isn’t up to them to force me not to clutter my desktop, that is my choice if I want that or not. There are other things I dont like either. Add-ons can fix that but it would be nice not wasting time installing all of that.
I’m gonna try the KDE Plasma desktop tonight or tomorrow and see how that is compared to gnome.
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@phenomlab they do have a KDE Plasma desktop for Arch. I don’t see the KDE Neon though. I have been testing with Gnome and there are add-ons where you can add a menu and have app icons on the top taskbar as well. There are also some other tweaks and addon you can do as well. But I am wondering if any of that would need to be done with KDE. Most likely not.
I have read as well that Gnome is the devil and more and more people are going away from it. I need to read that article you shared though. I am interested in what he says about it.
I have to use winblows for work as well. I wish they would switch everything to Linux including the servers. Would be way more awesome and we wouldn’t be affected by stuff like winblows is on a regular basis.
@Madchatthew said in Windows 10 End of Life:
But I am wondering if any of that would need to be done with KDE. Most likely not
That’s correct. It’s ready to go out of the box and contains literally thousands of customisations. From the DE perspective, there isn’t any product that’s a good. There’s ZorinOS, but that’s designed for Windows users as it looks very much like XP.
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Sorry for the double post but I read that article and I agree with him. I think gnome was trying to have a minimalist look and made it so you are forced to have that look. It isn’t up to them to force me not to clutter my desktop, that is my choice if I want that or not. There are other things I dont like either. Add-ons can fix that but it would be nice not wasting time installing all of that.
I’m gonna try the KDE Plasma desktop tonight or tomorrow and see how that is compared to gnome.
@Madchatthew Have fun. It’s a bit overwhelming to start with to be honest, but you’ll quickly grow to love it.
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I setup KDE Plasma on Arch. I will post a new topic with the directions I followed. There are extra things in there with setting up some other stuff as well. I know I could put it here, but then people don’t have to dig to find the guide. I hvae KDE Plasma setup on my usb stick that I have arch installed and can boot to. Let me tell you, wwwaaaayyyyyyy better than gnome. I am sold on KDE and have no intentions going back to gnome.
I know I have played around with KDE before, but not sure why I never switched before. I don’t need to do all the setup like with gnome with installing extensions and KDE is fast. I am glad I tried it out. I will be installing that on the laptop as well when winblows 10 expires.
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I setup KDE Plasma on Arch. I will post a new topic with the directions I followed. There are extra things in there with setting up some other stuff as well. I know I could put it here, but then people don’t have to dig to find the guide. I hvae KDE Plasma setup on my usb stick that I have arch installed and can boot to. Let me tell you, wwwaaaayyyyyyy better than gnome. I am sold on KDE and have no intentions going back to gnome.
I know I have played around with KDE before, but not sure why I never switched before. I don’t need to do all the setup like with gnome with installing extensions and KDE is fast. I am glad I tried it out. I will be installing that on the laptop as well when winblows 10 expires.
@Madchatthew said in Windows 10 End of Life:
I am sold on KDE and have no intentions going back to gnome.
I knew you’d love it!
Fractional CISO & CTO | Founder, Principal Consultant, and Director at Phenomlab Ltd
https://phenomlab.com -
I setup KDE Plasma on Arch. I will post a new topic with the directions I followed. There are extra things in there with setting up some other stuff as well. I know I could put it here, but then people don’t have to dig to find the guide. I hvae KDE Plasma setup on my usb stick that I have arch installed and can boot to. Let me tell you, wwwaaaayyyyyyy better than gnome. I am sold on KDE and have no intentions going back to gnome.
I know I have played around with KDE before, but not sure why I never switched before. I don’t need to do all the setup like with gnome with installing extensions and KDE is fast. I am glad I tried it out. I will be installing that on the laptop as well when winblows 10 expires.
@Madchatthew said in Windows 10 End of Life:
I will be installing that on the laptop as well when winblows 10 expires.
This is exactly what I’ve done - I went with Kubuntu, but I think that was a mistake, so will go for stock KDE Neon
Fractional CISO & CTO | Founder, Principal Consultant, and Director at Phenomlab Ltd
https://phenomlab.com -
@Madchatthew said in Windows 10 End of Life:
I will be installing that on the laptop as well when winblows 10 expires.
This is exactly what I’ve done - I went with Kubuntu, but I think that was a mistake, so will go for stock KDE Neon
@phenomlab this looks very nice as well. It is nice that they keep the KDE Neon a rolling release so you will get those updated apps even though Ubuntu isn’t a rolling release.
Is it a rolling distro?
KDE neon is rolling for KDE software. The Ubuntu base OS is not, but certain packages will be updated as needed to support KDE software requiring newer library versions than what is provided by Ubuntu. Apps from the main repositories are not rolling either, and therefore can be up to two years old. Users are encouraged not to use them, and to instead get apps from Snap or Flatpak using KDE’s Discover app store. In neon, Discover is set up to only show apps from these sources, filtering out apps from the repositories.
