Is plesk good over virtual min?

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  • Hi, i see plesk is more easy to handle the server and i would like to go with plesk but will have have full ssh control over server? I can install redies right?

    I agree both will have their own advantages and disadvantages but most likely i will only run flarum in this droplet and I will be needing light speed cache, somone has developed a extension for flarum

  • @hari said in Is plesk good over virtual min?:

    want to ask another question do not hesitate : D is cyber panel good? Or it will also adds more TTFB ?

    Of course ! I personally have never used Cyber Panel, but from what I understand, it does have some issues.

    @hari said in Is plesk good over virtual min?:

    The reason i am asking is virtual min looks so old, i have am more found of cpanel and new to managing servers

    🙂 VirtualMin has been around a number of years, but trust me, it’s not old. I think you may be looking at early incarnations of screenshots, which admittedly make it look like Windows 3.11, or like it was developed in the 90’s 🙂 However, I can assure you that this is not the case. VirtualMin is constantly updated, and don’t be fooled by it’s lack of shiny interface. Just ask @justoverclock, @JAC, and @Madchatthew who recently converted to VirtualMin after input from me what they think of the platform.

    Yes, there’s a steep learning curve, but it’s infinitely more powerful than cPanel, far cheaper than Plesk, and uses a barebones footprint on install. No bloat, nothing unnecessary, but blazingly fast. Plus, VirtualMin has full backup capabilities which actually work without issue.

  • @hari The jury is generally “out” on this one. Yes, Plesk is a very powerful platform that has distinct advantages over VirtualMin, but it’s not free. In most cases, taking an agreement from a hosting provider offering Plesk will usually mean a monthly cost for the license to use the platform itself. See below

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    As you can see, Plesk can be VERY expensive. Some VPS providers such as IONOS bundle Plesk into their products, so it then becomes more attractive to take as an option. However, not all that glitters is gold. The major plus with VirtualMin is that things are done the “stock” way in the sense that there is no bloat, and therefore, no unnecessary components that could cause slowness.

    Having used Plesk via IONOS for a number of years, be warned - it’s quirky in terms of setup. it’s not “raw” NGINX as you’d expect - more of a proxy for Apache in fact. It’s possible to disable Apache, but it’s a “Plesk” build of NGINX meaning that you can’t easily interchange components.

    Yes, there’s lots to love about Plesk, but even backup applications come at a cost - nothing is truly free unlike VirtualMin.

  • @hari said in Is plesk good over virtual min?:

    I agree both will have their own advantages and disadvantages but most likely i will only run flarum in this droplet and I will be needing light speed cache, somone has developed a extension for flarum

    My advice ? DON’T do this. You’ll regret it. Plesk will add TTFB of over 300-500ms on top of Flarum which is already very bad when it comes to speed in general with the more extensions you add.

    As a final point, Sudonix is VirtualMin backed 🙂

  • @phenomlab Thanks for opening up eyes and explaining the complications.

    👦 want to ask another question do not hesitate : D is cyber panel good? Or it will also adds more TTFB?

    The reason i am asking is virtual min looks so old, i have am more found of cpanel and new to managing servers

    As you say sudonix is using virtual min that certifies as it can be used in production environments

    I will go with virtual min

  • @hari said in Is plesk good over virtual min?:

    want to ask another question do not hesitate : D is cyber panel good? Or it will also adds more TTFB ?

    Of course ! I personally have never used Cyber Panel, but from what I understand, it does have some issues.

    @hari said in Is plesk good over virtual min?:

    The reason i am asking is virtual min looks so old, i have am more found of cpanel and new to managing servers

    🙂 VirtualMin has been around a number of years, but trust me, it’s not old. I think you may be looking at early incarnations of screenshots, which admittedly make it look like Windows 3.11, or like it was developed in the 90’s 🙂 However, I can assure you that this is not the case. VirtualMin is constantly updated, and don’t be fooled by it’s lack of shiny interface. Just ask @justoverclock, @JAC, and @Madchatthew who recently converted to VirtualMin after input from me what they think of the platform.

    Yes, there’s a steep learning curve, but it’s infinitely more powerful than cPanel, far cheaper than Plesk, and uses a barebones footprint on install. No bloat, nothing unnecessary, but blazingly fast. Plus, VirtualMin has full backup capabilities which actually work without issue.

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    @Hari Yes, that’s one (of many) I would recommend. It’s going to be easier to do this under Windows and the fact that you are already connected using SMB is a huge plus.

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    Lower grade VPS instances, whilst cheap, do have the inherent issue in the fact that they only have 1Gb of RAM. In most cases, this is enough for relatively small or minor projects, but when you need more RAM that you actually have, you’ll quickly find that instance exhausted, and your applications crashing as a result.

    This is where the swap file comes into play. Adding a swap can significantly improve performance on low budget hosts, but without direct root access, this is not going to be possible. If you own a VPS that has root level access and need to add a swap, follow the below guide.

    First, what exactly is a Swap?

    swap is a section of hard disk space that has been set reserved for the operating system to temporarily store data that it is unable to hold in RAM. This step allows you increase the amount of information that your server can keep in its working memory (but not without with some caveats, which I’ll explain below). The swap space on the hard disk will be used mostly when there is no more sufficient space in RAM to host any in-use application data.

    The information written to disk will be far slower than information kept in RAM (RAM is superior in terms of speed owing to its architecture), but the operating system will prefer to keep running application data in memory and only use the swap for the older data. Essentially, having swap space as a failsafe for when your system’s physical memory is depleted can be a good safety net against crashes on systems with non-SSD storage available.

    Determine the size of the Swap we actually need.

    This process is made so much easier by using the below calculator

    https://pickwicksoft.github.io/swapcalc/

    Admittedly, if you only had 1Gb RAM, the SWAP would be default at 1Gb. You can play with the various configurations here to get the results you need, but be honest - don’t make your system out to be something it isn’t, because otherwise, you’ll create more problems than you set out to resolve.

    Swap space refers to a designated portion of hard drive storage that’s reserved for temporary data storage by the operating system when the RAM can’t accommodate it any longer. This allows for an expansion of the data that your server can hold in its active memory, though with certain conditions. The swap area on the hard drive comes into play primarily when there isn’t enough room left in the RAM to hold active application data.

    The data that gets written to the disk is notably slower than the data stored in RAM. Nevertheless, the operating system prioritizes keeping currently used application data in memory and employs swap for older data. Having swap space as a fallback when your system’s RAM is exhausted can serve as a valuable safeguard against out-of-memory errors, especially on systems with traditional non-SSD storage.

    Verifying the System for Swap Information

    Before proceeding, it’s advisable to confirm whether your system already has existing swap space. While it’s possible to have multiple swap files or swap partitions, typically one should suffice.

    You can check if your system has any configured swap by executing:

    sudo swapon --show

    If you receive no output, it means your system presently lacks swap space.

    You can also confirm the absence of active swap using the free utility:

    free -h

    As evident in the output, there is no active swap on the system, as shown in the Swap row.

    total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 981Mi 122Mi 647Mi 0.0Ki 211Mi 714Mi SWAP: 0B 0B 0B Assessing Available Space on the Hard Drive Partition

    Before creating a swap file, it’s essential to check the current disk usage to ensure you have enough available space. This can be done by entering

    df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on tmpfs 1.6G 876K 1.6G 1% /run /dev/sda1 150G 65G 80G 45% / tmpfs 7.7G 0 7.7G 0% /dev/shm tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock /dev/sda15 253M 6.1M 246M 3% /boot/efi tmpfs 1.6G 0 1.6G 0% /run/user/1009

    The device with / in the Mounted on column is our disk in this case. We have sufficient remaining space available - 65G used. Your availability will obviously be different.

    The appropriate size of a swap space can vary according to personal preferences and application requirements. Typically, an amount equivalent to or double the system’s RAM is a good starting point. For a simple RAM fallback, anything over 4G of swap is usually deemed unnecessary.

    Creating a Swap File

    Now that you’ve determined the available hard drive space, you can generate a swap file on your file system. A file of your desired size, named ‘swapfile,’ will be allocated in your root directory (/).

    The recommended method for creating a swap file is by using the fallocate program, which instantly generates a file of the specified size. For instance, if your server has 1G of RAM, you can create a 1G file as follows:

    sudo fallocate -l 1G /swapfile

    You can confirm the correct space allocation by running:

    ls -lh /swapfile

    The file will be created with the appropriate space allocation.

    Activating the Swap File

    Now that you have a correctly sized file, it’s time to turn it into swap space. Initially, you must restrict file access to only root users, enhancing security. To achieve this, execute:

    sudo chmod 600 /swapfile

    You can verify the permission change with:

    ls -lh /swapfile

    As seen in the output, only the root user has read and write permissions.

    Next, mark the file as swap space with:

    sudo mkswap /swapfile

    Afterward, enable the swap file to allow your system to utilize it:

    sudo swapon /swapfile

    You can verify the availability of swap by executing:

    sudo swapon --show

    Finally, recheck the output of the free utility to confirm the setup:

    free -h Making the Swap File Permanent

    The changes made enable the swap file for the current session, but they won’t persist through a system reboot. To ensure your swap settings remain, you can add the swap file information to your /etc/fstab file. Here’s how you can do it:

    Back up the /etc/fstab file as a precaution:

    sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak

    Add the swap file information to the end of your /etc/fstab file with:

    echo '/swapfile none swap sw 0 0' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab Adjusting Swap Settings

    There are several settings you can configure to influence your system’s performance with swap. Two key settings are the swappiness property and the cache pressure setting:

    Swappiness Property: This parameter determines how often data is swapped from RAM to the swap space. A value between 0 and 100 represents a percentage. Lower values (close to 0) mean less frequent swapping, while higher values (closer to 100) encourage more swapping. You can check the current swappiness value with:

    cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

    You can set a different value using the sysctl command. For example, to set the swappiness to 10:

    sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=10

    This setting persists until the next reboot, but you can make it permanent by adding it to your /etc/sysctl.conf file.

    Cache Pressure Setting: This setting affects how the system caches inode and dentry information over other data. Lower values, like 50, make the system cache this information more conservatively. You can check the current cache pressure value with:

    cat /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure

    To set a different value, use the sysctl command and update your /etc/sysctl.conf file as you did with the swappiness setting.

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    @DownPW odd indeed. Looks like it’s spawning, immediately dying, then spawning again.

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    During an unrelated discussion today, I was asked why I preferred Linux over Windows. The most obvious responses are that Linux does not have any licensing costs (perhaps not the case entirely with RHEL) and is capable of running on hardware much older than Windows10 will readily accept (or run on without acting like a snail). The other seeking point for Linux is that it’s the backbone of most web servers these days running either Apache or NGINX.

    The remainder of the discussion centered around the points below;

    Linux is pretty secure out of the box (based on the fact that most distros update as part of the install process), whilst Windows, well, isn’t. Admittedly, there’s an argument for both sides of the fence here - the most common being that Windows is more of a target because of its popularity and market presence - in other words, malware, ransomware, and “whatever-other-nasty-ware” (you fill in the blanks) are typically designed for the Windows platform in order to increase the success and hit rate of any potential campaign to it’s full potential.

    Windows is also a monolithic kernel, meaning it’s installed in it’s entirety regardless of the hardware it sits on. What makes Linux unique is that each module is compiled based on the hardware in the system, so no “bloat” - you are also free to modify the system directly if you don’t like the layout or material design that the developer provided.

    Linux is far superior in the security space. Windows only acquired “run as” in Windows XP, and a “reasonable” UAC environment (the reference to “reasonable” is loose, as it relates to Windows Vista). However, Microsoft were very slow to the gate with this - it’s something that Unix has had for years.

    Possibly the most glaring security hole in Windows systems (in terms of NTFS) is that it can be easily read by the EXT file system in Linux (but not the other way round). And let’s not forget the fact that it’s a simple exercise to break the SAM database on a Windows install with Linux, and reset the local admin account.

    Linux enjoys an open source community where issues reported are often picked up extremely quickly by developers all over the world, resolved, and an update issued to multiple repositories to remediate the issue.

    Windows cannot be run from a DVD or thumb drive. Want to use it ? You’ll have to install it

    Linux isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I for one absolutely refuse to buy into the Microsoft ecosystem on a personal level - particularly using an operating system that by default doesn’t respect privacy. And no prizes for guessing what my take on Apple is - it’s essentially BSD in an expensive suit.

    However, since COVID, I am in fact using Windows 11 at home, but that’s only for the integration. If I had the choice, I would be using Linux. There are a number of applications which I’d consider core that just do not work properly under Linux, and that’s the only real reason as to why I made the decision (somewhat resentfully) to move back to Windows on the home front.

    Here’s a thought to leave you with. How many penetration testers do you know that use Windows for vulnerability assessments ?

    This isn’t meant to be an “operating system war”. It’s a debate

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    @madchatthew great you got this to work ! Thanks for the update.

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    @Ash3T I’m going to mark this post as solved as I’ve not heard from you in a while. Let me know if this isn’t the case and you need more help.

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    you are too fast 😉

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    @phenomlab said in Advantages and disadvantages of changing to Ubuntu?:

    @jac Yeah, I wouldn’t just leap into it unless you have a valid reason (such as the laptop no longer working and needing to be reinstalled). Probably better the devil you know currently.

    Absolutely mate, and generally as discussed that is the only time I have changed over to Ubuntu once the laptop has got slower.

    For now I will carry on with Windows, purchase the VPN & BitDefender in later October / early November and then see how all that runs for a few more months 👍🏻.