Virgin router replacement

[phenomlab]

@JAC I seem to recall us having this discussion before ?

Get the below for the 1Gbps Powerline adapters

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-PA717-KIT-Powerline-Configuration/dp/B07G37DJ8R/

And the below for the network cables (you obviously want 2)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-Ethernet-Speed-25Gbps-2000MHz-Network-LAN-RJ45-Raspberry/dp/B0875NB89J/ref=sr_1_5?crid=G9SMT0EDDV2A&keywords=network+cable+gigabit&qid=1695741024&s=computers&sprefix=network+cable+gigabit%2Ccomputers%2C81&sr=1-5

[JAC]

@phenomlab thanks Mark.

I’ve just gone back through my purchases, and these are the ones I got last time - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272237603311?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=HLCeEMeeRHi&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=-me6l2XtTGS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Having said that I did have two sets, I’m sure the second set I purchased were 1gbps.

EDIT: this is the ones I have now, but it’s just two adapters the same as the one on the right hand side of the image. - Deal: Tenda PH5 AV1000 Wi-Fi Powerline Adapter Kit with Gigabit Ports, Wi-Fi Powerline Booster, Broadband/WiFi Extender, Plug and Play, Up to 300m range, for HD/3D/4K Video Streaming and Gaming, UK Plug https://amzn.eu/d/8JQn2Ox

This is more accurate - https://amzn.eu/d/6IMNts4

Tenda Wi-Fi 6 Extender Booster AX1500Mbps Dual Band Wi-Fi 6 Range Extender, Broadband/Wi-Fi Extender, Wi-Fi Booster/Hotspot with 1 Gigabit Port, Built-In Access Point Mode, Easy Setup, UK Plug (A23) https://amzn.eu/d/63A0itX

Which is better out of them or the ones you posted mate? I can try find them, but may be worth ordering them later if I can’t find them, it’s been a year and who knows with the Mrs .

[JAC]

@phenomlab said in Virgin router replacement:

And the below for the network cables (you obviously want 2)

This is the one that arrived earlier that I’m going to use in a minute to test on the shield. - https://amzn.eu/d/9FPWB1O

[JAC]

Right, testing…

Nvidia shield is plugged in with WiFi connection and VPN connected.

Without the VPN connected

What!!!? 🧐🧐🧐

[phenomlab]

@JAC said in Virgin router replacement:

What!!!? 🧐🧐🧐

Yes. A VPN will always slow the speed down because it will proxy all traffic upstream to another server. 493Mbps is certainly more than acceptable to that device, and is excellent for Wifi.

I know you use the VPN to gain access to US based TV programs etc, so it’s a must have, but the speed drop is always inevitable.

[JAC]

With ethernet…

VPN connected

VPN not connected

[phenomlab]

@JAC There is absolutely nothing wrong with your setup mate. 878Mbps is a great speed, and you’re going to be hard pushed to top that. Obviously, wired without the VPN is the optimum setting.

[JAC]

@phenomlab said in Virgin router replacement:

. A VPN will always slow the speed down because it will proxy all traffic upstream to another server. 493Mbps is certainly more than acceptable to that device, and is excellent for Wifi.

I know you use the VPN to gain access to US based TV programs etc, so it’s a must have, but the speed drop is always inevitable.

That’s really opened my eyes, I must say!

Very surprised with such low speeds with the VPN running through, is there no way to increase these or is it just pretty much a case of putting up with it? I constantly run the VPN.

[JAC]

@phenomlab said in Virgin router replacement:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with your setup mate. 878Mbps is a great speed, and you’re going to be hard pushed to top that. Obviously, wired without the VPN is the optimum setting.

It is a great speed yes, I’m happy to finally see them sorts of speeds, however it is without the VPN running.

Should I still go ahead and order / find the powerline adapters to increase the speed upstairs? Of course the tests just done are right next to the router.

[phenomlab]

@JAC said in Virgin router replacement:

Very surprised with such low speeds with the VPN running through, is there no way to increase these or is it just pretty much a case of putting up with it? I constantly run the VPN.

You don’t have much choice other than to put up with it I’m afraid. You try other servers in the same region, although you’re probably connecting to a US based server which will add what is called latency to your overall speed. From the UK to the US is typically around 77ms (milliseconds), and whilst that doesn’t sound like much (not even 1/100th of a second) your traffic isn’t the only request and it really depends on how many other connection requests there are at the same time.

Think 3 lanes of traffic on a motorway designed originally for 5 lanes. The speed decrease is the result of that congestion, or perhaps limited by the edge VPN server itself to ensure it is not overwhelmed. Basically, even though you can transmit and receive at high speed, it does not mean the device sending the traffic back will let you receive at that speed as that would hamper the service for everyone else.

You’ll probably see quite an increase in speed if you connect to a local VPN server, although that defeats the object as you need to connect to the US to get access to their streaming services.

[phenomlab]

@JAC said in Virgin router replacement:

Of course the tests just done are right next to the router.

I would, yes. You won’t equal that speed because there are other factors at play such as distance of cabling (power and ethernet) and you are reliant on the hardware transmitting the speeds you require. The bottom line is that you need to test with the VPN disabled to get the true speed. I think you’ll get close to what you are looking for, and at this point, I’d hold off the Archer for the time being unless you actually want to go down that route to get even more performance.

One final point is that if you are using Nord VPN, the Archer supports this meaning you can enforce the VPN at the router and all connections will pass over it, so nothing is device dependant.

[JAC]

@phenomlab thanks for all the information Mark, I appreciate it.

I understand everything you are saying, I use Switzerland, Germany, US to name a few.

I’ve just tested the UK VPN and it’[censored]ting 157mbps, Germany hits 99mbps at the moment.

[JAC]

@phenomlab said in Virgin router replacement:

I would, yes. You won’t equal that speed because there are other factors at play such as distance of cabling (power and ethernet) and you are reliant on the hardware transmitting the speeds you require. The bottom line is that you need to test with the VPN disabled to get the true speed. I think you’ll get close to what you are looking for, and at this point, I’d hold off the Archer for the time being unless you actually want to go down that route to get even more performance

Thanks Mark.

I’ll order / find the powerline adapters and go from there, I’ll try sort them first and depending on what happens with them I’ll hold off on the Archer for now.

It does seem to be working that’s the main thing.

[JAC]

@phenomlab do you recommend these or the ones I have if I can find them will they be ok?

I do need to order another Ethernet cable.

[JAC]

Whilst I’m at it did you want to still see the settings?

[phenomlab]

@JAC Nope - no need because it is 1Gbps - if that were not the case, you’d struggle to get over 100Mbps on wired when you are getting 800+ without the VPN.

[phenomlab]

@JAC said in Virgin router replacement:

do you recommend these or the ones I have if I can find them will they be ok?

Either should be fine

[JAC]

@phenomlab I’ve found the pods, I have one ethernet cable that I used to get them speeds earlier. I have another coming tomorrow, then I can set up the powerline adapters .

[JAC]

@phenomlab said in Virgin router replacement:

Nope - no need because it is 1Gbps - if that were not the case, you’d struggle to get over 100Mbps on wired when you are getting 800+ without the VPN.

Thanks Mark for all the advice!

[phenomlab]

@JAC Anytime.