Skip to content

www. Infront stops website access?

Solved Configure
10 2 1.5k 1
  • Strange thing today, thought my pals nodebb.com site was down, as browser prevented access.
    It gave the your connection is not private security warning (like when theres no SSL)
    But Ive been told issue was that i was using
    www.sitename.nodebb.com
    And should just use sitename.nodebb.com
    !
    Have I missed something, since when did www. stop websites accessing properly?

  • Strange thing today, thought my pals nodebb.com site was down, as browser prevented access.
    It gave the your connection is not private security warning (like when theres no SSL)
    But Ive been told issue was that i was using
    www.sitename.nodebb.com
    And should just use sitename.nodebb.com
    !
    Have I missed something, since when did www. stop websites accessing properly?

    @Panda www these days is typically an alias record in DNS, and isn’t a requirement for the site to function. Most websites (including this one 🙂 ) drop the www part as it’s less for people to type (but it will accept those requests, then strip it back to the actual URL). Only those who have a legacy reason to include www in their website addresses these days do so.

    It’s considered unnecessary in today’s internet landscape. However, if the site presents an SSL certificate mismatch or warning, then this will actually not only harm your SEO (Google penalises against this), but it also means that if you proceed, every transaction on the site will be in plain text - not good at all.

    Furthermore, those sites (like NodeBB) that require a specific URL to operate against won’t work properly because of the mismatch, and that site should then be forcing all non-https traffic to https to ensure that this does not happen.

    Essentially, not doing so isn’t just bad etiquette, it’s bad for overall security. Depending on the host in use (either Apache or NGINX), there are a variety of ways to accomplish this. One of the easiest ways if you use Cloudflare is to do it with a page rule - failing that, a few simple lines of config is all it takes to resolve it.

    A bit more on the whole www part here

    https://dropwww.com/why

  • phenomlabundefined phenomlab has marked this topic as solved on
  • @Panda www these days is typically an alias record in DNS, and isn’t a requirement for the site to function. Most websites (including this one 🙂 ) drop the www part as it’s less for people to type (but it will accept those requests, then strip it back to the actual URL). Only those who have a legacy reason to include www in their website addresses these days do so.

    It’s considered unnecessary in today’s internet landscape. However, if the site presents an SSL certificate mismatch or warning, then this will actually not only harm your SEO (Google penalises against this), but it also means that if you proceed, every transaction on the site will be in plain text - not good at all.

    Furthermore, those sites (like NodeBB) that require a specific URL to operate against won’t work properly because of the mismatch, and that site should then be forcing all non-https traffic to https to ensure that this does not happen.

    Essentially, not doing so isn’t just bad etiquette, it’s bad for overall security. Depending on the host in use (either Apache or NGINX), there are a variety of ways to accomplish this. One of the easiest ways if you use Cloudflare is to do it with a page rule - failing that, a few simple lines of config is all it takes to resolve it.

    A bit more on the whole www part here

    https://dropwww.com/why

    @phenomlab the only problem is that some places require the www to know its a website.
    E.g. if I write,
    aignite.nodebb.com
    (This page does recognise its a link. But some chat / media pages dont)
    Or if I write
    www.aignite.nodebb.com

    From what you wrote above, do you say its ok for nodebb to have it set up such that the www one doesnt work?
    Many people not so technical may write www., out of habit.

    Further thought, how does this site know which of the following are links?
    test
    test.one
    test.com
    test.test2.org

  • @phenomlab the only problem is that some places require the www to know its a website.
    E.g. if I write,
    aignite.nodebb.com
    (This page does recognise its a link. But some chat / media pages dont)
    Or if I write
    www.aignite.nodebb.com

    From what you wrote above, do you say its ok for nodebb to have it set up such that the www one doesnt work?
    Many people not so technical may write www., out of habit.

    Further thought, how does this site know which of the following are links?
    test
    test.one
    test.com
    test.test2.org

    @Panda said in www. Infront stops website access?:

    the only problem is that some places require the www to know its a website

    This isn’t the case at all. All websites even without the www part will still begin with either http or https even if entered directly into the address bar as (for example) mysite.mydomain.com - the browser will first try http then https and ideally, if the request is received as http it should then by issued a 301 permanent redirect to https

  • @phenomlab the only problem is that some places require the www to know its a website.
    E.g. if I write,
    aignite.nodebb.com
    (This page does recognise its a link. But some chat / media pages dont)
    Or if I write
    www.aignite.nodebb.com

    From what you wrote above, do you say its ok for nodebb to have it set up such that the www one doesnt work?
    Many people not so technical may write www., out of habit.

    Further thought, how does this site know which of the following are links?
    test
    test.one
    test.com
    test.test2.org

    @Panda said in www. Infront stops website access?:

    From what you wrote above, do you say its ok for nodebb to have it set up such that the www one doesnt work?
    Many people not so technical may write www., out of habit.

    100%, yes, as it’s the industry standard. If anyone does write www that should auto redirect to the correct convention. Try accessing this site as www and see what happens.

  • @phenomlab the only problem is that some places require the www to know its a website.
    E.g. if I write,
    aignite.nodebb.com
    (This page does recognise its a link. But some chat / media pages dont)
    Or if I write
    www.aignite.nodebb.com

    From what you wrote above, do you say its ok for nodebb to have it set up such that the www one doesnt work?
    Many people not so technical may write www., out of habit.

    Further thought, how does this site know which of the following are links?
    test
    test.one
    test.com
    test.test2.org

    @Panda said in www. Infront stops website access?:

    Further thought, how does this site know which of the following are links?
    test
    test.one
    test.com
    test.test2.org

    Because the a href anchor will only react to valid TLD (Top Level Domains), of which .one isn’t, and no suffix at all will obviously be ignored and treated as text.

  • @Panda said in www. Infront stops website access?:

    From what you wrote above, do you say its ok for nodebb to have it set up such that the www one doesnt work?
    Many people not so technical may write www., out of habit.

    100%, yes, as it’s the industry standard. If anyone does write www that should auto redirect to the correct convention. Try accessing this site as www and see what happens.

    @phenomlab
    Im not talking about entering in a browser, but writing in a post

    So on Discord I mesaged someone
    www.aignite.nodebb.com
    And it gave the SSL error when clicked
    Nodebb.org arent striping the www

  • @phenomlab
    Im not talking about entering in a browser, but writing in a post

    So on Discord I mesaged someone
    www.aignite.nodebb.com
    And it gave the SSL error when clicked
    Nodebb.org arent striping the www

    @Panda if I check that URL, it redirects to the NodeBB home page.

  • @Panda if I check that URL, it redirects to the NodeBB home page.

    @phenomlab said in www. Infront stops website access?:

    @Panda if I check that URL, it redirects to the NodeBB home page.

    Yes, but why?!

  • @phenomlab said in www. Infront stops website access?:

    @Panda if I check that URL, it redirects to the NodeBB home page.

    Yes, but why?!

    @Panda because there is no match for the DNS entry specified. The receiving web server parses the headers looking for a destination hostname to match, and anything the web server is unable to resolve will be sent back to the root.


Did this solution help you?
Did you find the suggested solution useful? Support 💗 Sudonix with a coffee
If your organisation needs deeper expertise around infrastructure, security, or technology leadership, learn more about Phenomlab Ltd. Many of the deeper technical guides behind Sudonix are published there.

Related Topics
  • Please help me, I can't install nodebb

    Locked Solved Customisation nodebb
    7
    5 Votes
    7 Posts
    1k Views
    Installation completed, verified, and tested. Correct installation methodology is below https://docs.nodebb.org/installing/os/ubuntu/
  • Spam spam spam

    Solved Configure nodebb
    6
    2 Votes
    6 Posts
    976 Views
    @Panda said in Spam spam spam: ok, yes Ive seen the queue, it shows IP, but doesnt have a field for comments from registrant. It’s not designed for that. It merely serves as a gateway between posts appearing on your form or not. @Panda said in Spam spam spam: It would be better if nodebb had this plugin included in ACP list, as not only then do you know its approved and should work, but many people cant or dont want to use CLI on the server That’s a question for the NodeBB devs but in all honesty you can’t not use the CLI when installing nodebb so to be this isn’t a big deal.
  • Page control arrows for PWA

    Solved Customisation nodebb
    27
    25 Votes
    27 Posts
    8k Views
    @crazycells it is, yes - I think I’ll leave it as there is no specific PWA CSS classes I know of. Well, you could use something like the below, but this means multiple CSS files for different operating systems. /** * Determine the mobile operating system. * This function returns one of 'iOS', 'Android', 'Windows Phone', or 'unknown'. * * @returns {String} */ function getMobileOperatingSystem() { var userAgent = navigator.userAgent || navigator.vendor || window.opera; // Windows Phone must come first because its UA also contains "Android" if (/windows phone/i.test(userAgent)) { return "Windows Phone"; } if (/android/i.test(userAgent)) { return "Android"; } if (/iPad|iPhone|iPod/.test(userAgent) && !window.MSStream) { return "iOS"; } return "unknown"; // return “Android” - one should either handle the unknown or fallback to a specific platform, let’s say Android } Once you’re in that rabbit hole, it’s impossible to get out of it.
  • Nodebb design

    Solved General nodebb
    2
    1 Votes
    2 Posts
    892 Views
    @Panda said in Nodebb design: One negative is not being so good for SEO as more Server side rendered forums, if web crawlers dont run the JS to read the forum. From recollection, Google and Bing have the capability to read and process JS, although it’s not in the same manner as a physical person will consume content on a page. It will be seen as plain text, but will be indexed. However, it’s important to note that Yandex and Baidu will not render JS, although seeing as Google has a 90% share of the content available on the web in terms of indexing, this isn’t something you’ll likely lose sleep over. @Panda said in Nodebb design: The “write api” is preferred for server-to-server interactions. This is mostly based around overall security - you won’t typically want a client machine changing database elements or altering data. This is why you have “client-side” which could be DOM manipulation etc, and “server-side” which performs more complex operations as it can communicate directly with the database whereas the client cannot (and if it can, then you have a serious security flaw). Reading from the API is perfectly acceptable on the client-side, but not being able to write. A paradigm here would be something like SNMP. This protocol exists as a UDP (UDP is very efficient, as it is “fire and forget” and does not wait for a response like TCP does) based service which reads performance data from a remote source, thus enabling an application to parse that data for use in a monitoring application. In all cases, SNMP access should be “RO” (Read Only) and not RW (Read Write). It is completely feasible to assume complete control over a firewall for example by having RW access to SNMP and then exposing it to the entire internet with a weak passphrase. You wouldn’t do it (at least, I hope you wouldn’t) and the same ethic applies to server-side rendering and the execution of commands.
  • 2 Votes
    2 Posts
    654 Views
    @dave1904 that’s a really good point actually. I know it was there previously on Persona, but you’re right - no such function exists on harmony. However, putting something in place to mimick the behaviour of Persona won’t be hard from the js standpoint, although I wonder if perhaps we should ask the NodeBB developers is this feature was overlooked?
  • Upgrade Problem from 2.8.3 to 2.8.4

    Solved Configure nodebb
    35
    1
    8 Votes
    35 Posts
    7k Views
    @cagatay No, you can ignore that.
  • Adding fileWrite to nodebb code

    Solved Configure nodebb
    16
    1
    5 Votes
    16 Posts
    3k Views
    @eveh this might be a question for the NodeBB Devs themselves. In all honesty, I’m not entirely sure without having to research this myself.
  • 0 Votes
    9 Posts
    2k Views
    @downpw I’m inclined to agree with this. There isn’t much else you can do, and provided it works with no odd looking artefacts in other browsers, then ok. The :before and :after are pseudo classes and very well supported across all browsers (except perhaps Internet Exploder, but who uses that these days ?)