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  • On this forum there is this bar
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    Have to be honest, I don’t like it for a few reasons.
    It gets in the way, and its % reading is meaningless, as it may go up to say 70% then more posts load and it drops to 34% for example. So it doesnt tell you how far through the full list you are anyway.

    I referred to it as the progress bar previously, when trying to remove it. Is that correct name?
    I believed it was a ‘core function’ but I see the Nodebb’s own forum doesnt seem to have it on its home-page now?

  • @Panda I thought some more about this specific issue, and the progress bar is clunky. The original bar was part of the persona theme and it’s intention was to replicate the progress bar you had when reading through topics. However, the harmony theme has changed the landscape in terms of how data is interpreted, and so it does actually make sense to review this.

    I’ve refactored the code to make the progress bar much less obtrusive, a bit more “modern”, and more importantly, it appears at the top (2px height) so it no longer interferes with the mobile view.

    You may need to reload to see the changes.

  • @Panda said in What is this bar called?:

    It gets in the way, and its % reading is meaningless, as it may go up to say 70% then more posts load and it drops to 34% for example. So it doesnt tell you how far through the full list you are anyway.

    That is in fact by design. The progress bar will hit around 70% and then action:posts.loaded will fire (unlimited pagination) which adds more content to the DOM so the page height will increase, which is why it jumps back down to 34% as that reflects the real window height.

    @Panda said in What is this bar called?:

    I believed it was a ‘core function’ but I see the Nodebb’s own forum doesnt seem to have it now?

    It was never a core function - it’s a Sudonix one. NodeBB never actually had this in posts/categories view etc. It’s been adopted multiple times by others on this forum and is actively supported.

    @Panda said in What is this bar called?:

    Have to be honest, I don’t like it

    I’ll admit, since 3.x it’s less of a requirement as the theme changed from the previous default of persona to harmony and it’s likely I will create an iteration of it so it’s less intrusive, but it does have value in terms of showing where you are on a page and to my mind, it should remain there - but perhaps not in the post and category lists, and was originally based on the pace library but was subsequently re-written to make it independent.

    However, simply stating “I don’t like it” is not enough reason for it to be removed. For example, what do you think Amazon would say if you told them you didn’t like the colours they used? They’d likely ignore you.

    However, this platform is a community space, and I want people to feel comfortable using it. If the majority feel that the progress bar should be removed, then it will be.

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  • Ok, point taken.
    Im not knocking the coding of it, i should have said it has less utility on homepage where the % isnt representitive when the loadable list is pages long.
    It makes more sense in a thread where it shows how far through the post you are.
    I have a flip phone (narrow but tall) which I often use in landscape mode. And there the bar uses a lot of screen

  • @Panda And that’s a fair statement in itself. Can you send me a screenshot of what that looks like?

  • @phenomlab Now heres a funny thing…
    As if by magic, that bar is much narrower on a second mobile I tested
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    Actually its narrower on one phone, but not the other!!
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    They are both Samsung Andriod, but what a difference

  • @Panda do they have different screen resolutions?

  • @phenomlab
    Slightly, the s21 is 1080 x 2400
    But the bar display is very different!

  • @Panda yes, I see that. The issue here is that both of those styles trigger on different viewports (based on bootstrap) so my guess is that the flip phone you have probably renders in the same way as (for example) an iPad does, which would explain the layout if the same viewport is being used.

  • Ok, out of interest, can you explain how the bootstrap logic works here?
    How does a relatively small % change in pixels make a full width bar change into a small bar (which is better)
    Could the logic be changed to always make it small?

  • @Panda It really depends on the resolution supplied by the device. More information around how breakpoints (viewports) work can be found here

    https://getbootstrap.com/docs/5.0/layout/breakpoints/

  • @Panda I thought some more about this specific issue, and the progress bar is clunky. The original bar was part of the persona theme and it’s intention was to replicate the progress bar you had when reading through topics. However, the harmony theme has changed the landscape in terms of how data is interpreted, and so it does actually make sense to review this.

    I’ve refactored the code to make the progress bar much less obtrusive, a bit more “modern”, and more importantly, it appears at the top (2px height) so it no longer interferes with the mobile view.

    You may need to reload to see the changes.

  • Much improved!

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  • It’s a shame we lose the possibility of going down and up. Are you abandoning the bar to flarum? If yes, can be added a button at the bottom right as on v2.x and remove the scroll bar on the right

  • @DownPW said in What is this bar called?:

    Are you abandoning the bar to flarum? If yes, can be added a button at the bottom right as on v2.x and remove the scroll bar on the right

    Sorry, I’m not sure I follow here with the reference to Flarum? If you are talking about the return to top facility as it was (floating bottom right) then yes, I can easily put that back.

  • I think it’s more interesting to keep the scroll bar on the right side rather than at the top to keep the vertical logic of NodeBB 3.x And rather than having a navigation bar at the bottom right with the percentage, maybe putting back a button as in V2 to go up to the top of the page would be good. I don’t really know, the old bar seemed to be a problem?

  • @DownPW I agree with the button, which would be transparent as previous. However, the bar as I explained was a copy of the old persona theme progress bar. It looked good at the time, but since Harmony, it’s out of place in my view and if I’m being honest, a little antiqued compared to the rest of the site.

    Navigation control however is important, so I will put the scroll to top feature back, but I want to think about how this will look across the site and how it impacts the user experience.

    I haven’t just refactored the progress bar based on a whim or “demand” from someone. If you recall, the progress bar was originally designed in the way it is now, and changed over time to fit in the persona theme.

  • Just goes to show
    'You cant please All of the people, All of the time!’

    @DownPW said in What is this bar called?:

    I don’t really know, the old bar seemed to be a problem?

    It took up a lot of screen space on some mobile views.
    And on the home screen, what was the % even meaning, as more content loads as you go down anyway.

    There seems to be a vertical bar anyway with the theme, its only there for a second when scrolling up or down
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    Far be it for me, with half a star, to disagree with someone with 4 stars, but it makes no difference to me if its vertical or horizontal.
    Being thinner is an improvement, in that it is less intrusive

    Anyway its not even changed in the Topics pages
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  • @Panda it’s not changed in the topic pages because that is the NodeBB navigation bar - not the sudonix one. I’m not going to be disabling that one as it’s part of the core.

    Edit - for the avoidance of any doubt, here’s the link to the original post where the progress bar was in fact the same as it’s been recently modified to be

    https://sudonix.org/topic/182/reading-meter-progress-bar?_=1688782995096

  • @Panda said in What is this bar called?:

    Far be it for me, with half a star, to disagree with someone with 4 stars, but it makes no difference to me if its vertical or horizontal.

    I wanted to add clarity to this point here for anyone else following this thread. The rating you have has absolutely zero bearing when it comes to open discussion. There is no seniority over someone with half a star (for example) for someone with 5 stars.

    Both @DownPW and @Panda have made some very valid points and as a community it’s important that everyone

    • has a voice
    • is heard
    • is treated as an equal

    I understand that it’s difficult to convey tone when responding to something, or trying to get your point across, but please remember that English isn’t everyone’s primary language here, so sometimes things do get lost in translation, or don’t come across as the original poster intended.

    Either way, if you aren’t sure, it’s a good idea to ask for clarification (as I did previously in this thread).

    Thanks for reading -back to the topic in hand…

  • @phenomlab said in What is this bar called?:

    Navigation control however is important, so I will put the scroll to top feature back, but I want to think about how this will look across the site and how it impacts the user experience.

    It’s back!

    The scroll top top function has been added back into the mix, and is now available in the usual manner. As before, it will not appear on posts within topics, as the NodeBB scrubber bar already takes care of that. The arrow itself is transparent, meaning if you are using a mobile and this function activates itself, you’ll still be able to see the text beneath, so not invasive at all.


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    @crazycells Agreed. It takes a more sensible approach. Nobody ever upvotes the first post - it’s usually much further down as the conversation progresses.

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    @Panda It’s been raised multiple times, but only for the open source version, and not hosted.

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    @Panda said in Nodebb design:

    One negative is not being so good for SEO as more Server side rendered forums, if web crawlers dont run the JS to read the forum.

    From recollection, Google and Bing have the capability to read and process JS, although it’s not in the same manner as a physical person will consume content on a page. It will be seen as plain text, but will be indexed. However, it’s important to note that Yandex and Baidu will not render JS, although seeing as Google has a 90% share of the content available on the web in terms of indexing, this isn’t something you’ll likely lose sleep over.

    @Panda said in Nodebb design:

    The “write api” is preferred for server-to-server interactions.

    This is mostly based around overall security - you won’t typically want a client machine changing database elements or altering data. This is why you have “client-side” which could be DOM manipulation etc, and “server-side” which performs more complex operations as it can communicate directly with the database whereas the client cannot (and if it can, then you have a serious security flaw). Reading from the API is perfectly acceptable on the client-side, but not being able to write.

    A paradigm here would be something like SNMP. This protocol exists as a UDP (UDP is very efficient, as it is “fire and forget” and does not wait for a response like TCP does) based service which reads performance data from a remote source, thus enabling an application to parse that data for use in a monitoring application. In all cases, SNMP access should be “RO” (Read Only) and not RW (Read Write). It is completely feasible to assume complete control over a firewall for example by having RW access to SNMP and then exposing it to the entire internet with a weak passphrase.

    You wouldn’t do it (at least, I hope you wouldn’t) and the same ethic applies to server-side rendering and the execution of commands.

  • Issues with Progress Bar on v3

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    @Panda You could use the below

    .page-topic .pagination-block.ready { display: none; }
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    @phenomlab I am on a Mac, so I used the “Option + Command + I”, and then performed the steps. It loaded my favicon! I checked on Firefox which I haven’t used before, and it showed my favicon also! That’s fantastic and thank you for the help!

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    @phenomlab said in Footer bar add center text:

    div#console-nav-tab

    Ah ok test with bottom: 0px !important; idem

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    @cagatay

    Just add margin-left on the element like @phenomlab said to you :

    topic [component="post/parent"] { margin-left: 10px; }

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    Maybe @phenomlab have a better way

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    @phenomlab said in NodeBB vs Discourse:

    Hetzner eh ? I use them also. In fact, Sudonix is hosted in Nuremberg 👍

    yes i’m also at hetzner, i have been a customer there for years with a reseller account for domains. My VPS that I host there are also in Nuremberg 🙂