AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?
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@phenomlab this sounds like a technical error; because I have seen the same story being headlined as if “robot attacked human”…
@crazycells interesting indeed! I do agree actually - it does say in the article that it was a programming error, and one machine out of three was left running when the other two were shut down.
Mark – Founder, Phenomlab Ltd
Executive IT & Security Leadership
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billions of dollars in damages are owed for “unlawful copying and use of The Times’s uniquely valuable works”.
so, they create “valuable work” but they can only earn money out of this by suing others… lol…
@crazycells said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
so, they create “valuable work” but they can only earn money out of this by suing others… lol…
Yes, exactly. I’d be questioning the “valuable work”
Mark – Founder, Phenomlab Ltd
Executive IT & Security Leadership
Phenomlab Ltd -
@crazycells said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
so, they create “valuable work” but they can only earn money out of this by suing others… lol…
Yes, exactly. I’d be questioning the “valuable work”
@phenomlab this reminds me old times when Uber came out… and arrogant NYC cab drivers complaining about Uber, how it is very bad for them…
eventually public benefit should be taken into consideration by the court…
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@phenomlab this reminds me old times when Uber came out… and arrogant NYC cab drivers complaining about Uber, how it is very bad for them…
eventually public benefit should be taken into consideration by the court…
@crazycells UK cab drivers did exactly the same!
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@crazycells interesting indeed! I do agree actually - it does say in the article that it was a programming error, and one machine out of three was left running when the other two were shut down.
@phenomlab yes, I personally believe this version of the story… I am quite sure the accident is technical error… but you know how media is… they “love” spreading fear… so they intentionally spreading this news as “robot-uprising”… lol…
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Artificial intelligence will affect up to 40% of jobs worldwide, IMF warns - not a good sign!
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This is brilliant. A chatbot encouraged to swear and bring its own company into disrepute.
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Mark – Founder, Phenomlab Ltd
Executive IT & Security Leadership
Phenomlab Ltd -
Am I the only even slightly disturbed by this? It links back to a previous article located here
Mark – Founder, Phenomlab Ltd
Executive IT & Security Leadership
Phenomlab Ltd -
Am I the only even slightly disturbed by this? It links back to a previous article located here
And here’s an update to that same article
Evidently, the recipient of this new implant can control a mouse just by thinking. Whilst the potential for such technology is life altering for those who suffer with disabilities, it also raises the immediate concern about how this technology will be governed to prevent it from being used for nefarious purposes.
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@phenomlab this is more serious than Taylor Swift, this can be used to destroy the life of normal people too… let’s see how long it will take for legislator do something about this…
I am feeling that they will not move their finger until some real lifes are lost due to these fake images…
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@phenomlab this is more serious than Taylor Swift, this can be used to destroy the life of normal people too… let’s see how long it will take for legislator do something about this…
I am feeling that they will not move their finger until some real lifes are lost due to these fake images…
@crazycells absolutely. It just seems that people only stand up and take notice when it happens to a high profile individual.
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Am I the only even slightly disturbed by this? It links back to a previous article located here
@phenomlab in theory, this is already doable… but not “wirelessly”… I guess this is what they are trying to achieve…
in short, when you want to move your pinky finger, you activate certain neuron combinations in the brain and make a certain region of your brain “active” (neurons are activated by the movement of sodium and potassium in/out of the cells and therefore creating “electrical charge polarization” ), so even if your brain cannot control finger muscles, for example due to an injury, this information still can be picked up by the electrodes that are scanning the brain. So, as far as I understood, they are trying to build a technology to convert these electrodes with cables into wireless chips…
I will look further here: https://clinicaltrials.gov (after a quick search, I could not find the name of the company, so I am assuming they are collaborating with some researchers from some institutions)
all clinical trials in the US will be reported here, and results will be shared…
But I would not trust Elon’s tweet for the results of the experiments…we should wait until scientific papers are published… if anything, he is lying and promoting the stocks of this company… this is what he does, he is a manipulator and liar, and he can say anything for economical gain…
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More celebrities deep faked for US influencer’s ads
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@phenomlab in theory, this is already doable… but not “wirelessly”… I guess this is what they are trying to achieve…
in short, when you want to move your pinky finger, you activate certain neuron combinations in the brain and make a certain region of your brain “active” (neurons are activated by the movement of sodium and potassium in/out of the cells and therefore creating “electrical charge polarization” ), so even if your brain cannot control finger muscles, for example due to an injury, this information still can be picked up by the electrodes that are scanning the brain. So, as far as I understood, they are trying to build a technology to convert these electrodes with cables into wireless chips…
I will look further here: https://clinicaltrials.gov (after a quick search, I could not find the name of the company, so I am assuming they are collaborating with some researchers from some institutions)
all clinical trials in the US will be reported here, and results will be shared…
But I would not trust Elon’s tweet for the results of the experiments…we should wait until scientific papers are published… if anything, he is lying and promoting the stocks of this company… this is what he does, he is a manipulator and liar, and he can say anything for economical gain…
@crazycells said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
But I would not trust Elon’s tweet for the results of the experiments…we should wait until scientific papers are published… if anything, he is lying and promoting the stocks of this company… this is what he does, he is a manipulator and liar, and he can say anything for economical gain…
Very interesting points you raised in the above post, and you clearly know more about this than I do - and have a better understanding. I appreciate how this technology can assist those who are mobility impaired, but do worry about it being abused in the future, and I’m sure it will be. I also worry about the safety of such technology.
And you’re right. Elon doesn’t care about the safety aspect and is more focused on the bottom line - profit.
Mark – Founder, Phenomlab Ltd
Executive IT & Security Leadership
Phenomlab Ltd -
@crazycells said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
But I would not trust Elon’s tweet for the results of the experiments…we should wait until scientific papers are published… if anything, he is lying and promoting the stocks of this company… this is what he does, he is a manipulator and liar, and he can say anything for economical gain…
Very interesting points you raised in the above post, and you clearly know more about this than I do - and have a better understanding. I appreciate how this technology can assist those who are mobility impaired, but do worry about it being abused in the future, and I’m sure it will be. I also worry about the safety of such technology.
And you’re right. Elon doesn’t care about the safety aspect and is more focused on the bottom line - profit.
@phenomlab and he is not the scientist of the project… If he is announcing the results or hinting the results, I believe he aims manipulation.
I will check the clinical trials website for more details later when I have more time…On a side note, this chip placement is an invasive operation, I believe they have to place the chip under the skull, so that it can sense which part of the brain is active. Namely, they have to open a crack on your skull to achieve this. These things are usually not ethical to perform on a healthy person, or someone who will not get any benefit out of it.
Additionally, its use is limited, and I believe in the second article it is exaggerated a lot (when they say it will eventually cure obesity, autism, depression, or schizophrenia). In the first article, it says “it will enable control of your phone or computer, and through them almost any device, just by thinking”… I believe this will be the main use case of these chips(if they become successful) , but Elon is manipulating to soar his stock prizes
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@phenomlab and he is not the scientist of the project… If he is announcing the results or hinting the results, I believe he aims manipulation.
I will check the clinical trials website for more details later when I have more time…On a side note, this chip placement is an invasive operation, I believe they have to place the chip under the skull, so that it can sense which part of the brain is active. Namely, they have to open a crack on your skull to achieve this. These things are usually not ethical to perform on a healthy person, or someone who will not get any benefit out of it.
Additionally, its use is limited, and I believe in the second article it is exaggerated a lot (when they say it will eventually cure obesity, autism, depression, or schizophrenia). In the first article, it says “it will enable control of your phone or computer, and through them almost any device, just by thinking”… I believe this will be the main use case of these chips(if they become successful) , but Elon is manipulating to soar his stock prizes
@crazycells said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
On a side note, this chip placement is an invasive operation, I believe they have to place the chip under the skull, so that it can sense which part of the brain is active. Namely, they have to open a crack on your skull to achieve this. These things are usually not ethical to perform on a healthy person, or someone who will not get any benefit out of it.
Based on this, I’m guessing that ordinary people aren’t exactly queuing up for this…
Mark – Founder, Phenomlab Ltd
Executive IT & Security Leadership
Phenomlab Ltd -
@crazycells said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
On a side note, this chip placement is an invasive operation, I believe they have to place the chip under the skull, so that it can sense which part of the brain is active. Namely, they have to open a crack on your skull to achieve this. These things are usually not ethical to perform on a healthy person, or someone who will not get any benefit out of it.
Based on this, I’m guessing that ordinary people aren’t exactly queuing up for this…
@phenomlab no, ordinary people cannot get this… basically, the company is trying to achieve to turn the cap below, into a chip that is implanted near brain to be able to read the signals…
This is not something like a cosmetic surgery, so FDA will not approve this for “general use”, it will have a specifically defined target group; and it can be used only for those people. I checked the clinical trials, and searched for “brain computer interface”, for example this study from Mexico has this eligibility criteria:
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Inclusion Criteria:
Spinal Cord Injury at neurological levels C6 or C7
American Spinal Injury Association (ASIA) classification A, B, C or D
Upper limb spasticity of less or equal to +1 measured with the Modified Ashworth Scale
Time since disease onset of more than 6 months and less than 60 months
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Exclusion Criteria:
Severe attention deficits
Previous diagnosis of traumatic brain injury
Previous diagnosis of peripheral nerve injury
Previous stroke diagnosis
Previous diagnosis of neurodegenerative diseases
History of fractures in upper extremities
Skin lesions
Contractures in upper extremities that hamper mobility
Excessive muscle spasms
So, when this study is concluded, it can only be used for this specific target group. I wish eventually this technology would be used for other neurological diseases, but currently it is very unlikely. We need way more research to be done before reaching this aim… Elon is currently manipulating the stocks…
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@phenomlab no, ordinary people cannot get this… basically, the company is trying to achieve to turn the cap below, into a chip that is implanted near brain to be able to read the signals…
This is not something like a cosmetic surgery, so FDA will not approve this for “general use”, it will have a specifically defined target group; and it can be used only for those people. I checked the clinical trials, and searched for “brain computer interface”, for example this study from Mexico has this eligibility criteria:
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Inclusion Criteria:
Spinal Cord Injury at neurological levels C6 or C7
American Spinal Injury Association (ASIA) classification A, B, C or D
Upper limb spasticity of less or equal to +1 measured with the Modified Ashworth Scale
Time since disease onset of more than 6 months and less than 60 months
Normal or corrected to normal vision -
Exclusion Criteria:
Severe attention deficits
Previous diagnosis of traumatic brain injury
Previous diagnosis of peripheral nerve injury
Previous stroke diagnosis
Previous diagnosis of neurodegenerative diseases
History of fractures in upper extremities
Skin lesions
Contractures in upper extremities that hamper mobility
Excessive muscle spasms
So, when this study is concluded, it can only be used for this specific target group. I wish eventually this technology would be used for other neurological diseases, but currently it is very unlikely. We need way more research to be done before reaching this aim… Elon is currently manipulating the stocks…
@crazycells said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
I wish eventually this technology would be used for other neurological diseases, but currently it is very unlikely. We need way more research to be done before reaching this aim… Elon is currently manipulating the stocks…
As do I. There are also those who suffer with other illnesses such as Fibromyalgia which is one that has no outward signs, but is extremely debilitating for the person who suffers with it. Another would be Myalgic Encephalomyelitis or Chronic Fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) and this is where that technology could enrich lives.
Elon is not concerned with any of that - just the bottom line as I previously stated.
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